Discussion Avoider

Photo: The first Discussion-avoider Photo: standard Discussion-avoider

left: the first, still handfiled avoider of discussion
right: the current normed avoider of discussion

Commandotool, security idol, discussion avoider or simple radius and thickness gauge for fighting rules, also beer can opener, these are all term for the same small helper.

I developed him to gauge the sheet metal thickness of helmets as I was travelling historical markets as a cobblesmith. Later I wanted to have radiuses with me as the coins I used always dropped to the bottom of my bags together with my file.

I used this tool to modifiy my own weapons in accordance with the rules and, if a discussion got heated, to solve or end it.

Basically everybody at our group is responsible of there own weapons and they get checked independently before and after each fight. At markets we checke each others weapons, because anyone can overlook something. There should happen no remarks at the final weapon check made by the organisators.

This tool is not meant as a control tool. The organizers of a training, the training partners check by eye and decide after their rules and their discretion. The word of the organizer is binding, it is your place and rule As organizer you can use the tool to end a useless discussion or to show how a weapon should look. It's less of a measuring tool and more an emphasis of your wod.

So far, I have only given this tool as a gift to people who have shown me that they comply with the safety rules and to those who also advocate for others to comply with safety standards.

For those who also want to have this tool, there are two ways, to ask me or a little further down I have the 3D printable. Since recently, I also have a red card to distribute, More about this Here: Red card

How the tool is designed

Technical drawing: Discussion-avoider

I use the 8 mm radius at the head and beneath the head und unterhalb des Kopfes for speartips. The rules most often provide an area of 1 cm2. I prefer a bigger area of at least 2 cm2. This not least because a duplaction of the area means a bosection of theimpact force and therefore more freedom for me.

The 10 mm radiuses at the bottom are for all radiuses at swords, axes, daggers, …

The 3 mm radius between shows how the edge should be rounded in cross section.

The cuts behind have defined thicknesses to measure sheet metal and egde thickness in the steps 1, 1.5, 2 und 3 mm. Depending on the rules 2-3 mm are mandatory. Here I also prefer thicker edges, as an enlargement means less impact force and such a bigger errror margin.

The tooths between the cuts have a defined thickness of 1.5, 2 and 3 mm. These measures are an aesthetical decision, but they can be used to compare thicknesses .

The backbend exists solely for aesthetical reasosn to make the tool look more like a figure.

The tools are made from C60, so they can't be bend by accident, even if they are used to open a bottle or again somebody wants to show that his weaponsurely fits into the cuts (which is in no way desirable, as it would mean that the weapon doesn't conform with the rules 🙂 )

Here is the discussion avoider as a 3D print template for use under Creative Commons license.



Pictogram: Creative Commons License
Discussion avoider 3D print template from Heydenwall (Friedrich) Is licensed under one Creative Commons Attribution - Noncommercial - Share Alike 4.0 International License.

The tool is a gauge. 1) With a gauge you look for match or fit.

That means, when it shall be checked, if a weapon has the demanded 3 mm edge, the tool is guided with little pressure over the egde and you check, if the egde fits into the cut. If it fits, the igt is thinner than 3 mm and doesn't conform with the required thickness. Not only cutting egdes should be checked, but all edges. Not only the thickness is important, but also if it is correctly rounded. Siehe auch hier.

Same with the radius, if a weapon fits into the radius, the weapon doesn't meet the neccessary radius and thus doesn't conform the rules.

Since I made the templates some years ago, I have noticed yet again that weapons don't fit the rules, my own included. Again and again I have adjusted my new and old weapons and changed them to fit the rules.

People can't estimate areas, so these estimates are always buggy. Most people have very little experience with estimating thickness, which is why I started measuring.

Experience shows that at many events 30-60% of the weapons doesn't conform the rules regarding thickness and roundedness. Regarding the stabbing area the percentage is even higher. Because of this many doesn't know how rule conforming weapons look like. Sometimes there are asthetical reservations - I don't want further that thinking (for this purpose I have replicas that I don't use for fighting)

To ban everyone with non-conforming weapons from the play is no solution with this amount of deviation from the rules. This is why I have begun to give this tool to those, who check their own weapons, and hope that it will give a positive development if everyone starts with oneself.

When I check weapons, I have a tolerance in my mind and I give indications, how the radiuses should be and ask for correction till next time. (I have the luxury of being able to remember this quite easily). What doesn't fit into the tolerance I give, I get exchanged, if there's no other option, with my own weapons.

It may be a long way till all weapons conform with the rules, but why make rules, if the get not to be applied to all?

The safety idol is a holy fetish who transmits his power by stroking the blade. That's why he get's use before the battle, to transfer his powers to the weapons, to pray for safety for all. All that wear one, have the pover of the safety idol in them. They are stronger, faster, and handier than others and still injure noone. The have the power to make the wearers of the idol drunken. Especially if they use it to transmit its powers to a drink by touching a bottle.

gauges were made to enable a simple verification of given measurement. Their usage has a very small error margin compared to measuring methods and gives a clear statement (good or scrap). Wikipedia: Gauge (instrument)
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